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With the Illinois game just around the corner, perhaps this is a good time to observe that, as of today, the most disappointing and under-performing BIG coach during the first weeks of the BIG season is none other than . . . [drumroll, please] John Groce! He may well turn things around beginning Tuesday night in Lincoln. But as of now, he is the hands-down winner. Consider this:

1. To begin with, he has four Rivals 4-star players signed by the prior regime and handed to him.

2. He has the horses to knock off Ohio State going away--74 to 55.

3. But those same horses lose to Purdue by 7, lose to Minnesota by 17, lose to Wisconsin by 23, and lose to Northwestern by 14.

4. And with those same horses he has the same BIG record as Nebraska, who cannot put any Rivals 4-star player on the court and has played a tougher BIG schedule.

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Illinois was picked to finish 9th in the Big Ten. Groce being the most disappointing coach is based upon what? The fact that they played very well in non conference and are now doing what people expected them to do in the big ten? I dunno who is a better coach. Groce or Miles...I wanted Groce bad but I do believe Miles was a much better fit for this program.

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 Groce being the most disappointing coach is based upon what?

 

 

The answer to such question is in the original post above ("OP"). 

However, one correction needs to be made to the OP as follows: Groce has six Rivals 4-star players rather than four.  Those six are senior guards Richardson and Paul and sophomores Shaw, Abrams, Henry and Egwu. 

If Miles had horses like that and ended up with Groce's initial BIG results identified in the OP, we'd all be wondering about Osborne's decision making process instead of giving Tim Miles a 98% approval rating.

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We all would? No we wouldn't. Maybe you would. I think most reasonable people understand that in any coaching change it takes time..especially with getting the right players in your system. Groce has a team that went 17-15 last year minus a first round draft pick. Hardly world beaters. They were picked to finish 9th in the Big ten for a reason.

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Nobody should be making any judgments about either coach until at least year 3.  Groce runs a very distinct system with a very uptempo, pressing, high energy style of play that demands full buy-in from his players.  Until he gets his players, its ridiculous to assess him a coach at Illinois.  The previous coach was fired for a reason.  He recruited a bunch of prima donnas who didn't play hard and didn't buy in.  I don't care what their stars are, that doesn't mean diddly when a new coach comes in with his own style of play.  Groce is probably looking for completely different types  of players.  

 

Besides, Illinois has been in the top 25 almost all year, so to call him a major disappointment after a 3 or 4 game bad stretch is even more ridiculous.

 

FWIW, same thing goes for TM.  I wouldn't care if this team went 0-28 this year, I still wouldn't judge him as a bad coach.  TM wouldn't recruit a guy like AA if his life depended on it, but that is what he has this year.  Each of them is coaching another's guy's players, so very little can be gleaned from any of this.

 

And lest we forget, there were a lot of people saying Doc was going to be a great coach after his first couple years b/c his guys played hard and "he got the most out of his players",  yada yada yada.  Time will tell, but no negative judgments can be made until year 3.  The only exception to this would be if either coach takes his team to the sweet 16 in year 1 or 2, then I think you could say that coach has had a successful start, but I don't you can label either coach as a failure until the third year at a minimum.

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 Groce being the most disappointing coach is based upon what?

 

 

The answer to such question is in the original post above ("OP"). 

However, one correction needs to be made to the OP as follows: Groce has six Rivals 4-star players rather than four.  Those six are senior guards Richardson and Paul and sophomores Shaw, Abrams, Henry and Egwu. 

If Miles had horses like that and ended up with Groce's initial BIG results identified in the OP, we'd all be wondering about Osborne's decision making process instead of giving Tim Miles a 98% approval rating.

Kendrick Nunn Says Hello

 

https://rivals.yahoo.com/nebraska/basketball/recruiting/player-Kendrick-Nunn-113785;_ylt=AvI8DXPvu7J.p3tEoybRH01Ws5B4

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Losing Rice is going to be a killer for them.  He was having a great year.  With that said...have you looked at their Big Ten schedule? They have an easy road even without Rice.  Hill is a stud....Nunn can be dangerous.  Outside of that, they do not have much on that team right now.    

 

No worse for them than losing Leslee and Moses was for us. 

 

And if he doesn't have much else on that team, he has only himself to blame.  He ran off a bunch of guys when he first arrived and this is his third season, meaning he's had a full recruiting cycle plus to get in the players he thinks he needs. 

 

Illinois should be an easier place to recruit to than here and he's gotten the players he's wanted, so why should losing one guard be that devastating for them?

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Losing Rice is going to be a killer for them.  He was having a great year.  With that said...have you looked at their Big Ten schedule? They have an easy road even without Rice.  Hill is a stud....Nunn can be dangerous.  Outside of that, they do not have much on that team right now.    

 

No worse for them than losing Leslee and Moses was for us. 

 

And if he doesn't have much else on that team, he has only himself to blame.  He ran off a bunch of guys when he first arrived and this is his third season, meaning he's had a full recruiting cycle plus to get in the players he thinks he needs. 

 

Illinois should be an easier place to recruit to than here and he's gotten the players he's wanted, so why should losing one guard be that devastating for them?

 

 

I would agree with all of that except for comparing the loss of Rice to Leslee and Moses.  Losing Rice would be akin to us losing Petteway.  It would be UGLY.  Rice was averaging 17 PTS and 6 boards a game shooting 51% from the field and 48% from 3 PT land.  That's not something you can replace unless you are Kentucky or Duke.  But, even with Rice I think they are just an okay team...probably an NCAA worthy team because of their easy Big Ten schedule.  But without him, I'm not so sure.   

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So glad Nebraska didn't get him. I think he was Boehms first choice. He is a good, not great, recruiter but a complete moron with X and O's. 1 minute into the game I turned to my wife and said Nebraska will win by at least 10. To beat Nebraska you must do 2 things. 1. Crash the boards. 2. Pressure the perimeter passing lanes. Yes, Nebraska can beat you off the dribble, but they have a tendency to become one sided on offense when teams take away the easy and obvious swing passes. It's like Groce and his staff didn't even watch film. Creighton gave every coach the template on how to beat this Nebraska team. IOWA followed it to a tee.

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So glad Nebraska didn't get him. I think he was Boehms first choice. He is a good, not great, recruiter but a complete moron with X and O's. 1 minute into the game I turned to my wife and said Nebraska will win by at least 10. To beat Nebraska you must do 2 things. 1. Crash the boards. 2. Pressure the perimeter passing lanes. Yes, Nebraska can beat you off the dribble, but they have a tendency to become one sided on offense when teams take away the easy and obvious swing passes. It's like Groce and his staff didn't even watch film. Creighton gave every coach the template on how to beat this Nebraska team. IOWA followed it to a tee.

 

Not sure it's just that easy.  Part of the "formula" for beating Nebraska is hitting a higher (sometimes ridiculously higher) than average % of your shots.  That's kind of like saying "all you gotta do to beat Usain Bolt in the 100 meter dash is run faster than him...I'm surprised more people don't do that".

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So glad Nebraska didn't get him. I think he was Boehms first choice. He is a good, not great, recruiter but a complete moron with X and O's. 1 minute into the game I turned to my wife and said Nebraska will win by at least 10. To beat Nebraska you must do 2 things. 1. Crash the boards. 2. Pressure the perimeter passing lanes. Yes, Nebraska can beat you off the dribble, but they have a tendency to become one sided on offense when teams take away the easy and obvious swing passes. It's like Groce and his staff didn't even watch film. Creighton gave every coach the template on how to beat this Nebraska team. IOWA followed it to a tee.

 

Not sure it's just that easy.  Part of the "formula" for beating Nebraska is hitting a higher (sometimes ridiculously higher) than average % of your shots.  That's kind of like saying "all you gotta do to beat Usain Bolt in the 100 meter dash is run faster than him...I'm surprised more people don't do that".

 

I could Bolt in a 100 meter dash any day of the week!  Provided he gave me an 75 meter head start!

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So glad Nebraska didn't get him. I think he was Boehms first choice. He is a good, not great, recruiter but a complete moron with X and O's. 1 minute into the game I turned to my wife and said Nebraska will win by at least 10. To beat Nebraska you must do 2 things. 1. Crash the boards. 2. Pressure the perimeter passing lanes. Yes, Nebraska can beat you off the dribble, but they have a tendency to become one sided on offense when teams take away the easy and obvious swing passes. It's like Groce and his staff didn't even watch film. Creighton gave every coach the template on how to beat this Nebraska team. IOWA followed it to a tee.

 

Not sure it's just that easy.  Part of the "formula" for beating Nebraska is hitting a higher (sometimes ridiculously higher) than average % of your shots.  That's kind of like saying "all you gotta do to beat Usain Bolt in the 100 meter dash is run faster than him...I'm surprised more people don't do that".

 

 

Actually, hitting an average number of shots would have worked pretty well for Illinois.

They aren't an offensive rebounding team.  They really should have considered having Egwu and Hill crash the boards on every play but on the flip side Nebraska had 0 fast break points...the same sort of strategy that Nebraska employs. (We gave up 4)

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